Jane: Do you feel a need to keep on apologising? Coulson, who now runs a successful strategy business, talks candidly and honestly about his regrets, resilience and recovery. People treated us with respect and we did the same. Andy: No, I was acutely aware of that, having published so many of those pictures. Actually, in the conversation with Chris Lewis we were discussing this. Not given a reason why and that you should prepare yourself for spending your sentence here entirely. If thats how he feels, thats how he feels. Because his family relocated frequently, he had lived in seven cities by the time he was 17. A bemused local cabbie found himself sitting in the middle of a cornfield and off we went to the station. I think that the danger with this conversation, if Im brutally honest with you, as we sit here right at the start of it, is that it somehow comes off as woe is me. They were to work within the PCC code at all times". Andy: We had lunch and we talked about politics, as you might expect, and life after politics which is, of course, where he is now. I left and David didnt want me to go. [20], He became deputy editor of the News of the World, the Sunday sister paper of The Sun, in 2000. [16][17] This trial started on 11 May 2015 because of the general election. [48], However, the Crown Prosecution Service said in December 2010 that it had determined that there was insufficient evidence to charge Coulson over allegations that he was aware of phone-hacking at the publication. I wanted to hear what they were up to and they got on with it, theyve been incredible throughout. Jane: As you say, its high security for a reason, because there are some pretty serious criminals in there. Jane: And that was what, because of the dangers of drug smuggling? Jane: I wanted to talk about Eloise now. The judge himself, I think, said right at the start, British justice is on trial and when you are the person in the dock, I think you know that if this goes wrong its going to go badly wrong. People were being genuinely kind to me. [19], Coulson grew up in Wickford, Essex. Jane: In his memoir, David Cameron wrote that he was wrong to insist that you were innocent until proven guilty and that he should have removed you in 2010 until the scandal snowballed. [58], Coulson's trial over the phone-hacking claims started in October 2013. Andy: I dont know the answer to that. Because youve not really spoken about that, have you? We were doing, it sounds ridiculous, Dragons Den presentations of ideas for what they were going to do when they got released, and mock interviews. Andy Coulson arrives at the Old Bailey on July 4, 2014 in London, England. Its an audit, right, when these things happen in your life. I think there are probably people who think that I should still be in prison. And prison is the ultimate leveller. I dont have too many dark days any more but I do have the odd grey day, I think everybody does, for all sorts of reasons. [36] Kate Robertson of One Young World told the Guardian "He can't do One Young World work at the moment, that is absolutely clear". Im undoubtedly happier. Coulson replaced Rebekah Wade as editor in 2003. We talk about it and funnily enough they, it would be wrong to say that they laugh about it, but they found some aspects of it quite fascinating. Jane: And when they came to visit Belmarsh, because a lot of people listening to this will never have been to a Category A prison, even to visit, why is that your regret? I have to say, everyone through that process, the prison officers down in the cells at the Old Bailey, could not have been, frankly, more friendly. Eloise and the boys have to take the gold medal, if you like, for getting me through but there are a whole load who get the silver medal and Im very grateful for it. And that was partly necessary, just from a practical point of view, but it was also definitely a coping mechanism as well. Jane: And I was going to say, in hindsight would you have taken that job? I was an ex-Murdoch employee in government and a lot of people really didnt like that and saw a lot of conspiracies within that, that I was some kind of stooge, which I absolutely was not. And why? Why are you doing it now? Which do you think it was? He added that the case against him had been a "waste of money". Lots of people were sending me books and I wasnt allowed to have them because they were, I thought rather ridiculously, banned at that stage by a former colleague of mine, Chris Grayling. [1] He follows Tottenham Hotspur. [21], Coulson resigned on 26 January 2007 over the News of the World phone hacking affair which would several weeks later see the jailing for four months of the paper's Royal correspondent Clive Goodman. Six former members of staff from the now defunct. Andy: I think I would, to be honest, yeah, because Im just not outraged enough by much any more. And that just didnt happen. I had no complaint about it. Andy: Well I will always argue that the mistakes were not criminal, because thats what I spent a lot of time standing in a witness box arguing and because its what I believe. In the second extract from his new book Hack Attack, Nick Davies. Jane: So, tell me, what was a typical day at Belmarsh? [18], On 1 June 2015, the judge, Lord Burns, acquitted Coulson. Its an unnatural thing to do to relive your life and, by the way, if all you are doing is reliving your life through a negative prism, its a fundamentally unhealthy thing to do. But as I said in court, I made a lorry load of mistakes as an editor. I was all over it. Also learn how He earned most of networth at the age of 52 years old? And thats absolutely not how I feel. I dont know, but it was incredibly frustrating. And it is all about cues and nudges that push you in a certain direction and I just try and avoid those. There have been the odd conversations. Theres a door that youre going to go through. That came not long after I arrived in Belmarsh and that was probably the worst moment. Jane: Did you worry that it would come across as self-serving? We built a brilliant team, we had the coalition. The way I choose to deal with it and the way Ive chosen to deal with it is be positive and go and build a business and employ some brilliant people, which I now do and go and work with a fantastic set of clients, which I do. Beginning the Entrepreneurial Journey. But this kind of disconnection from family, whatever the circumstances, is just a fundamental negative. I got told by a couple of prison guards, because I chatted to everyone, again, its the journalist in me, I had lots of conversations with other prisoners and with prison guards, prison officers and two of them actually told me, Youre just being put to the bottom of the pile, Andy. I remember, vividly, a young man sitting on his own for the entire duration because nobody came to see him. And my parents are grafters, that was always very clear. David Cameron's former spin doctor Andy Coulson was among seven people in court earlier charged in connection with the phone hacking scandal. Private investigator Glenn Mulcaire, remunerated by the newspaper, was given a custodial sentence of six months. But youve never shared your own experience. Andy: Well that didnt happen immediately, because theres a period of time between verdict and sentencing. The purpose of the company is not recorded by Companies House, but is reportedly a public relations agency. You benefit from undiluted, unambiguous one-to-one advice, game changing campaigns and crisis guidance from p Andy: Yeah, I have occasional grey days. Was there ever a point through all of this, the trial or prison or any of it, that you cried? Rebekah Brooks, No 10'S former spin doctor Andy Coulson and three others appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court today. Its appalling. [6][7], Coulson was arrested by the Metropolitan Police Service on 8 July 2011 in connection with allegations of corruption and phone hacking. All I know is that when I took the job, actually, I said to him, Im taking this job, David, on the basis that I will not go into Downing Street because that was the deal Id done with Eloise. I was treated perfectly decently and fairly but its just something that you think to yourself, I cant quite believe this is happening to me. Never mind my resilience and my crisis, the truth of the matter is it was as much a crisis for them and for Ellie as it was for me. [27], After David Cameron became Prime Minister in May 2010, he appointed Coulson as Director of Communications for the government at 10 Downing Street. So, I spot the signs and I know what to do and I know how to kind of avoid it. And when you see young men being separated from their families in that way, it is profoundly depressing. Jane: I wanted to point out before we really get started that its not really an interview about why you ended up in prison, because obviously the details of the trial can be Googled. Andy: Absolutely, yeah. Jane: So, youre packing your bag. September 18, 2020. As a result we spent inordinate amounts of time just sat behind a door. I cant say I succeeded in that regard, but that was certainly the instinctive approach that I took to it. To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968) is an English journalist and political strategist. I guess well talk about that in a bit more detail. Jane: Lets just backtrack a bit there. [18] On 3 June 2015, he was cleared of those perjury charges, since, if he had lied, it would not have been relevant to the outcome. Andy: Well I think for most people, not all actually, but most people who go to prison it's the kind of beginning of the end because yes youre in a van, yes youre going to Belmarsh, but you know now you are on the road, actually, to the end. [39], As the Conservative Party's director of communications, Coulson continued to be subjected to allegations that he was aware of the hacking of phones while serving as the editor of News of the World. Journalist and broadcaster Jane Moore asked the questions for Coulsons new podcast series, Crisis What Crisis? It taught me that I consider myself to be a reasonably good friend but I think I could have been better, so I think it taught me to be a better friend. I didnt know what was going to happen and I didnt know what I was going to find. There are very, very few of them that I continue to feel any sort of disappointment about, because people have got their own lives and you see that very quickly. There were some fights, but never anything directed at me and nothing that caused me to feel scared in Belmarsh and certainly not when I got to Hollesley Bay, which was a different regime altogether. I think that we are all stronger for it. Colton came . He subsequently joined David Cameron's personnel as communications director, until announcing his departure on 21 January 2011 because of continued media coverage of the phone-hacking affair. Early life. Pic credit: CBS. [14] On 30 June 2014, it was announced that he would face a retrial over two counts of conspiring to cause misconduct in public office in relation to the alleged purchase of confidential royal phone directories in 2005 from a palace police officer after the jury in the original trial was unable to reach a verdict on them. Take control of what you actually have control over and, of course, the main thing that you have control over is your own mind-set and your own attitude. "[41], On 1 September 2010 The New York Times printed new allegations from former News of the World reporters alleging that Coulson had "actively encouraged" reporters to illegally intercept voicemail messages, and that he "was present during discussions about phone hacking". So even though Id spent eight and a half months in the Old Bailey in a trial, knowing that that was a possibility, sat in a dock for the large part, theres a padded green door on your left that you know goes to the cells and theres the exit on the right, although Id spent all that time wondering am I going to go left or right, when you hear the word guilty you know full well that youre going to be going left. So I changed my mind. There were elements of my crisis that were entirely self-inflicted. And I tried to make the best of it. And then I was told its 18 months and before you know it, youre through that green door and youre handcuffed and youre taken down to the cells. So, Harvey, Monty, Finn. Youve got to be either black or white. Andy: Hindsight yeah, but honestly hindsight is pointless in my view, particularly when you are trying to get through the crisis. The two others, well one of them got dropped and one I was acquitted, but thats the system. And Eloise, who is a considerably more evolved human being than I am, knew that long before I did and shes trained me well in that regard. [24] The judgement singled out Coulson for making "bullying" remarks in an email to Driscoll. And I could equally say, why on Earth did you do that, Andy? He had not been subjected to the highest level of vetting, "developed vetting", allowing unrestricted access to top secret material. Im a big believer in counselling and therapy and that has helped me enormously, I have to say. Former government director of communications and News of the World. [60][61], Coulson was to face a retrial, together with the News of the World's former royal editor Clive Goodman, after the jury failed to agree a verdict on two other charges of conspiring to cause misconduct in public office in relation to the alleged purchase of confidential royal phone directories in 2005 from a palace police officer. Long before, in truth. Andy Coulson, the former Downing Street Communications Director and News of the World editor, has given his first detailed interview about the scandal that ended, in 2014, with a spell in HMP Belmarsh. Andy: On the morning that I knew I was going to prison, I went to the back of my garden (I live out in the country), I went over the fence and into a field and then eventually I arranged for a local cab. He attended Beauchamps High School, a secondary school and sixth form college, from 1979 to 1986. I saw some pretty unpleasant things. I found myself, very quickly, saying things in my own head that I had been saying to members of the cabinet not that long before, albeit them facing different crises, the principles were the same. Its constantly incoming and my job, in fact, was to manage those crises. Speaking outside the court, Coulson said: "I'm just delighted that after four pretty testing years my family and myself have finally had a good day". That doesnt mean that Im pleased it happened, Im not. I was an editor of the News of the World for four years. I was encouraged to stay but I just felt from a practical point of view, because I am of course a resigning recidivist, much in the same way as I felt when I was at the News of the World, how on Earth am I able to sit here and write a leader, criticising that outrage thing again, criticising a politician when Ive got a reporter sat in jail? Funnily enough I am a bit of a blubberer, but its normally at something really sort of soft. I was really concerned. Andy: There were moments when I felt utter despair. And I said, look Im going to do this for a while, I think its fascinating, I think it will be an amazing achievement to try and help him get into Number 10, but Im not going to stay. And then I noticed that the windows of the Serco van that I was in were rose-tinted. And Ive got to be honest with you, I think that is a change in me because as a newspaper editor, particularly, you are very judgemental. I just wish that it hadnt happened. It takes you nowhere. [34], On 7 February 2011, Coulson and his wife established 'Elbrus Consultants Ltd'. Jane: Well that was sort of going to be my next question, because undoubtedly your role at Downing Street heightened the interest in your trial. In this first episode of the second series, Andy puts himself on the other side of the microphone and talks to journalist and broadcaster Jane Moore about his five-year crisis. "[45], A report aired on Channel 4's Dispatches in October included remarks made by an unnamed source, said to have been a former senior journalist at the News of the World who worked alongside Coulson. The work ethic amongst us all is very clear. Andy talks about confronting his mistakes and the . You pull up and the gates open and you know youre going to prison, youre in no doubt that youre going to prison. However, the acquittal was suspended while the Crown considered whether to appeal the decision and was therefore not announced until 3 June. Andy: I do, yeah. And so did that help in a way? Youve got to accept it, your good decisions and your bad decisions, and you have just got to move forward so trying to unpick in the past ask me from the point of a mental health issue, if you like, without doubt the most damaging, corrosive thing, is that reliving the past. And although I stand by the position I took in court, in regard to the allegations that I ended up being found guilty of, my view is still that I didnt break the law. Jane: Does David Cameron get the silver medal? 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And share he has about Colton Underwood from the world of The Bachelor. So I actually had a little bit of time at home to be able to prepare, which I was very grateful for because that allowed me to talk to the kids and to talk to Eloise and get things sorted, get organised as best I could. [50], Coulson was arrested at Scotland Yard at 10:30am on 8 July 2011. And I have some views on what works and what doesnt work in prison, having been inside one for a while, though I do not claim to be an expert by any means, given the length of time I was there. Andy: Youve got a window next to you and I just sort of turned my back. And, in fact, the last words from one of those prison officers to me as I was about to get on the bus were, Keep your head down, youll get through it, life moves on. How can I be the Director of Communications in Downing Street when Im on the front pages? Discover Andy Coulson's Biography, Age, Height, Physical Stats, Dating/Affairs, Family and career updates. Ask me if I felt I should have been convicted and the answer is obviously no because I pleaded not guilty. But the net result of all that stuff that happened over the course of five years or more has definitely made us stronger as a family. And actually, I dont feel much right now at all, life is good. But pretty quickly I got my head around it and although we spent a lot of time behind the door there were also periods of time when youre allowed out to exercise, walking around a concrete yard. And its like eating rotten fruit. [51] He was questioned under caution, and later that day released on police bail until October, but made no comment on his release. And I thought that was plain wrong and I was livid about it. My brother was there and one of my best pals, Kris, and there was a lot of manly hugging and goodbyes. On one level its fundamentally depressing to find yourself there. Andy: Probably a bit of both. I dont think its something that you sort of say right, great, Ive done that, thats finished. BirthName, Nickname, and Profession So first, let's take a look at some personal details of Andy, like name, nickname, and profession. Andy: I dont know about that, but when I went to work for David, funnily enough the whole friendship thing came up quite quickly because not long after Id started to work for him there was a moment when I picked up the newspaper on a Saturday morning and I was learning things that I didnt know about what David was going to do with regards to a trip, I think it was. And I took the view that this is what it is and it is just another place, a pretty unpleasant one, but its just another place. As director of communications for the Conservatives he does an excellent job in a proper, upright way at all times. But there are a whole bunch of mistakes from a leadership point of view, I was the boss. So thats why were doing this. And thats, on any level, regardless of what that persons story might be, thats just sad. [1][65], English journalist and political strategist, Conservative Party communications director, Downing Street Director of Communications. I thought I was due what everyone was due in that kind of situation. And to have a prime minister on television, while my jury was still out, although theyd delivered a verdict on the intercepting communications, they hadnt delivered a verdict on another charge that was later dropped. So, they made me an education orderly and I went and worked with a brilliant woman who runs the education programme at Hollesley Bay and I was effectively her teaching assistant, if you like. I was a pretty low profile, it didnt turn out that way, of course, but I was a pretty low-profile editor, at least I tried to be and thats absolutely how I saw the job as well when I went into Number 10. He was acquitted in two, including one in Scotland, but was convicted of conspiracy to intercept communications, or phone-hacking as it became known, and at the Old Bailey was sentenced to 18 months. And I totally accept that and I am very sorry for it. Andy: No, as I say, only during the course of a very long trial in the Old Bailey where I answered every question, I gave full evidence and answered every question that was asked of me by a fair number of lawyers and a judge. Id start with that, I think. That must have felt weird, being the focus of the media storm? I made my case but I obviously didnt succeed with the jury. Ive really enjoyed it, but the process is that Im asking a whole bunch of really interesting people to share their stories and I just got to the end of the first series and it didnt seem very fair, frankly, that I hadnt put myself through the same process. Coulson was name-checked by Alan Partridge (Steve Coogan) in an episode of This Time with Alan Partridge (Series 02, Episode 02) during an introduction to a segment about law and order. And I had so much incoming. What happens to you when you come there? It is a fact of my life and it is an upsetting fact of my life. Jane: Do I get one of those for doing this? [28], Coulson announced his resignation on 21 January 2011. Jane: So how did you find out, or when did you find out that you were being moved? Jane: I mean, in fairness, Ive known you, what, 25 years and you were like that before you had a crisis. [43] Sean Hoare, showbusiness reporter at News of the World during Coulson's reign speaking on Five Live, who accused Coulson of lying, has said that indeed Coulson did not ask him to phone hack but veiled his request in "metaphorical language" and asked him to practise his "dark arts". Mulcaire, remunerated by the time he was 17 said in court, was... 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