dickerson fly rod tapers

Only trouble with the rod is that there aren't many places in Md. For any thing else but roll casting or keeping a very finite weight of DT in the air, it's useless. (Mark Wendt), Well, Payne sure has Dickerson beat for workmanship and material. Yes, there are specific applications for a 7'6" 5wt here in Michigan. I fish mostly Michigan streams where you are wading the stream casting to the edges, and casting to rising fish wherever you are lucky enough to find them. 15 .128 .278 Measured over varnish. I would highly recommend the 8013 for your first Dickerson rod. Apparently, the 'old masters' were just building fishing rods and not too worried about picking the fly poop out of the pepper. If you caught my post to Robin, you will have read the requirements for describing a SC, as derived by Mr. Everett Garrison in his book. In fact, as the requirements of a stream rod are very simple, this is what we do. I measured the rod after seeing David Ray's posting of an 861711 in his taper library that is accessed from Hexrod. (Steve Weiss), That's the rub isn't it? 0.178 (Robin Haywood). I figure it will still be a good rod even if the swell won't be apparent to the eyes. All through this process you must be aware of the stress curves as well, you don't want to make changes that will cause a rod to fail. I have thougt of the 8013, as a 5 weight. bamboo fly rod blank (two-piece single tip) - Proof Fly Fishing 6'6" 2wt. .350@40 20 0.126 (Greg Reeves), Something ain't quite right there. The 8013 is a faster rod with a stiffer tip which makes it capable of handling more line at a greater distance, the downside is that it wont fish as well up close. 2 piece. He has two Dickerson 7613 tapers, from 1952 and 1970, that show dimensions for a butt ferrule that would be 14/64 and a tip ferrule of 13/64. I just put stepdown ferrules on my first rod, an 8014 Dickerson. You can do all the compensation you like for varnish thickness, ring weight and ferrules but you will still not produce anything like as good as a properly calculated compound taper rod. to use it on trout other than the Yough, Savage River reservoir and some lakes. June - October by JohnI 05/09/09 04:06, Post F E Thomas. From 80 to 85, there is an increase of ~.070. he then concludes with a diabolical smile. Dickerson Rods. by avyoung 06/12/16 18:13, Post It was considerably more effortless to use than my colleagues 8'6'' to 9' supposedly #4 carbons. 90 0.329 15 .258 .144 We all have devices to try to self describe tapers. Experience the difference of a Mystic Fly Rod on your next expedition. 25 .156 .310 The varnish is in good condition. You simply have to then adjust the rate of change of the taper - the rise. So far all those posted were missing the 1st station on the butt section. Still looking for a guide to hire for a striper trip to the Bay. (Paul Blakley). The 1970 Dickerson has the same type tip as the 1952 except it has a very shallow flex in the upper butt and a faster swell into the butt, a 4/5 wt, faster rod. I don't disagree with any one here in fact I think you are all correct. 1951Accession No.1987.010.024Made byNARMCO, The American Museum Of Fly Fishing (Chris Obuchowski). Why? I highly recommend him. In case you didn't get the taper before, here it is: 0.066 6 wt 0.0752 A Lyle Dickerson model 8014 bamboo fly rod, 8', 2-piece, 3-tip, and built for a #6 line. It made a fine rod, but you have to smooth out the taper leading into and out of the 45 and 50" stations as the rod was designed for a step down ferrule. Point Dimension 0.220 0.102 These are our limited edition models, only released every few years. So this spring I made the Dickerson 8014 Guide taper and prefer it for Lake Bass and larger bluegill. 48 .224 .375, I don't know how Banjo arrived at the measurements under the grip and reel seat. Only lost 1/2 inch in rod length. Line Size Tip Size Its just simply to do with maximum stiffness (IE minimum deflection) for a given material weight. If you read this Bob, I would be interested to know how you choose your tip dimension and rise? Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods. . 4.6 ounces. Thanks. If you 'hide' columns you can then compare and easily see differences in any combination of selected rod tapers. Ralph Tuttle did the actual spreadsheet work. I think I originally posted this taper as Russ personally sent it to me. He took the first step to improving them, inadvertently, you say, by fining down the tips. One of our longstanding rod models with classic cane color and a slightly more moderate action. by Aransas.clarks 05/09/09 02:49, Post $ 1950us w/two tips, DICKERSON 7012 - 7' 2/2 - 4wt- honey colored - medium action, wonderful 4wt$ 1950us w/two tips. ever wonder why all those 10 1/2/64 Heddons broke at the female ferrule? (Greg Reeves), This version appears to me to take a step into account. Tel: 802-362-3300, Summer 5 .092 .242 (Harry Boyd). 1 2 3 We will see how it turns out. Digger Digere. 0.266 The butt dimension at the ferrule is too large to fit in a 13/64. The stepdown in the female is from a 14/64 ID where the ferrule goes over the bamboo to 12/64 ID where it accepts the male slide. 3 months after I had the guy back on the phone asking me to make another one as its the best rod he has ever had. maybe someone else has one! .203 is about all you can get into a 13/64 ferrule. You can easily introduce straight line tapers as well. Consider this, the aspect of looking at tapers as deviations from straight lines is most valid when you are designing from numbers and not from stress or deflection. That's not a lot to ask is it? 0.138 I have made several and all have been well received. This taper, starting with a .068 tip dimension, makes a great middle distance 8' WF6 or 7-1/2' 5wt. Lyle Dickerson oft written about little powerhouse of a rod. (Harry Boyd). I just posted on the Rod Builders forum a 861711D Dickerson taper taken from a rod built in 1938 and restored by RW Summers in 2005. Neither of the Powell's on Hexrod are straight taper, I have no Winston tapers handy. All of the tapers that I am finding appear to be using a Super Z. I am not wanting to start the Super Z vs. Garrison would have like straight line stress/strain results for the same reason Richard Walker did. The Dickersons that I've seen were similar. This is a set of 13-14/64 step down ferrules. - Led Zeppelin, 10 Years Gone. This first set was posted on The Classic Fly Rod Forum by Jeff Fultz. Especially if you know how the rods actually cast. This is the second invitation to fish Michigan, and I thank you sincerely for it. Over the time I have made rods. 0.168 Regardless of what any book says about what size ferrule belongs on this or that rod, i look at the flat to flat measurements at the ferrule ends and make my own decision about what ferrule to use. Hardy Fly Fishing Rod Trout Fishing Rods & Poles 8 Guides, Hardy Fly Reel Trout Fishing Reels, Hardy Trout Fishing Rods & Poles, Still own the other and it has a DT6 on it. (Bob Norwood), The point, whether you like it or not, is that you cannot design a rod that much exceeds mediocrity by using straight tapers. The trouble is, really, that I know there are people out there who really do understand taper design, it's getting them to talk to us about it thats the problem. Now you have a rod in the length, line weight and number of section you want. Spurred into rodmakingby losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on tobecome one of the masters of the craft. All measurements were taken over varnish. Unless that is what you are trying to achieve. 0.178 (Henry Mitchell), In Dickerson-speak, it would be a size 13 on the butt, and a 12 on the tip. 0.174 All sections are full length and straight. For example a 13 was really a 13.5? Yes. All 5wt with identical terminal tip and butt dimensions. I believe he told me he placed his roll casting hinge 10"-15" above the handle, depending on rod length. Daryll Whitehead would be another good choice. My son likes the 7613 but he fishes mostly the bigger waters of the west and I'm thinking the 8013 would be a better rod for him. (David Zincavage), I wouldn't turn down a couple of each for crackers. I've made at least a dozen Perfectionists (most with a swelled butt so they aren't exactly the same) and all their owners love them. Dickerson 8014 Fred Bears Rod, 2606 -1. I can add that there is not one single straight line taper for each line weight. If you are building in the drop at the ferule that Dickerson used, you will usually end up using a size larger ferrule than you'd normally think. First found in the United States in 2014 in southeastern Pennsylvania, spotted lanternfly has spread rapidly through the eastern states. 0 .084 .238 (2 1/2" @ ferrule wrap) (Jerry Foster), For some applications, like fishing dries from a drifting boat, it could be even a bit short. To vary the straight line you can adjust the tip dimension. Do any rod makers sells rods they do not like? by avyoung 06/17/16 04:49, Post Listed as 7 wt but that seems kinda heavy? The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. (Reed Guice). (Mark Wendt), I checked the several places that I usually look for tapers and they all had the swell starting at 80". 3 wt 0.0638 There are two Perfectionists on Hexrod. (Al Baldauski). that is less the difference of the step. But if you really like Dickerson tapers (i sure do) then getting a good maker to whip up his version of that taper while using his personal cosmetics would be my first choice. Garrison's tapers may have been all right in his day, for the equipment and applications he was designing for, i.e. Very smooth and plenty of power for a 5 wt should you need it. Contact us to learn more about how we can help! (Mark Wendt), I am wanting to build a Dickerson 7012 but cant find a taper that accounts for the step downs. The American Museum of Fly Fishing Collection Parabolic is a marketing term and thus entirely meaningless in discussions on rod design. The line weight standards are simply points in what is really a continuous spectrum. Dave Norling, Rush River Rods, makes a stepdown 13/12 ferrule, the only size stepdown that he offers , that works very well for this taper. 85 0.3145 Made 4 or 5 of the lighter. I think of it as an 8013G. In terms of rod design I think that it is really worthwhile considering as many design approaches as possible when trying to design and assess tapers. To this Robin brings up the complications created by the weight and placement of ferrules etc. (Will McMurrey). by dkrismer 06/12/16 20:36, Post But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you!" (Gary Nicholson). For that matter, how big does the swell actually have to be to stop the action of the rod? Obviously this has to be judicious, as there comes a point where the taper tends more towards an adjacent standard line weight. Bob through extensive research determined the tip dimensions for specific line weights and then calculated SLT for each. 30 .216 .099 0.248 0.214 Grayrock 96. Very Good condition. Sold Out $4,050.00 Description Particulars For your consideration is a Lyle Dickerson model 8013 bamboo fly rod made in 1948. I have also noticed the mention of a Dickerson 8014GS. by avyoung 06/16/16 18:33, Post There are actually at least four different versions of the 7613; two by Dickerson a 1952 and a 1970 model, one by Golden Witch and one by Todd Talsma. I did subtract the .006 when I made mine and I love it as I do every Dickerson taper that I've cast. Its a very useful exercise. Dickerson Rods Notes On Rods and Models Rod Features Rod Bags & Tubes Rod Markings and Script Buyer/Collector Beware Dickerson Articles About The Model Profiles Dickerson 761510 Dickerson 8014 Guide The Tom Clark Collection Anecdotes & Unseen Photos Dickerson Guide Series The Earliest Dickerson What Are The Chances? I don't think anyone fishes the same. It's why I'm fussy about ring weight on the tips of rods below #6. (Robin Haywood). All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. In practice most people these days do not take well to these technically correct ideas, preferring a slope to the straight line, giving higher strain levels near the tip, i.e. Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. These get assimilated quite directly into stress curve approach. Rod Selection - Dickerson Tapers, < Home < Tips Area < Rod Selection < Dickerson Tapers, Can someone help me find the taper for the Dickerson 7613. 4070 Main Street, ferrules, such as Mr. Youngs can be made to fit such a drop but the historical norm was to fit to the smaller diameter. I like Paynes too! Dickerson was a self-taught rodmaker who designed his own rod-milling and planing equipment. I always encourage customers to try before they buy. Starting at a tip dimension specific to a given line weight you add diameter to the length of the rod in linier increments until you reach the rod length you want. I don't particularly like the idea of an "exact" clone, it takes away from the makers personal touch IMHO and never will be the real deal. No Question about it, John Pickard. Good question and I will tell you as soon as I finish my 5wt SLT. 0.120 Your statement that "if you want to make overweight rods with unnecessarily heavy tips and relatively floppy butts then straight tapers will deliver. I have limited the list as practical to tapers which are not obviously taken from Hexrod.net, in RodDNA, or in contemporary books such as Howells, Gould or Mauer. If you want a rod that feels like a SLT then you must compensate for the ferrules and varnish and guides by adding the proper amount of bamboo at the correct points on the taper. 0.214 I'll give you a bit of background on the question. All of the Dickerson tapers I have made using Super Zs have been great. Springcreek, the 8013 you have listed. First, no one casts the same. For the tip section use the smaller number and for the butt section use the larger number. by bluesjay 06/19/16 13:59, Post Dickerson 7012 (1954) from "the Lovely Reed". His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. You don't find a need for a 7'6" 5wt on your streams. It throws up some very interesting facts. At The Airport. Just as the "super Z's" have a female barrel that is 2/64's larger than the bamboo sleeve or male insert, it is the same, but opposite with the Dickerson style "stepped" ferrules. A Powell B taper by definition is a straight taper. I'm not familiar with Tom Fulk's true arc taper. 50 0.203 148510 The '51 is a bit softer. Click Here for Rod Raffle, Great Brown, Rainbow and Cutthroat Fly Fishing. The hatch did not materialize and the fish did not rise, which gave me time to think of such things. 55 0.217 145405 80 0.3 anyway that's how I do it. I don't find the 7'6" length to be too short. This is merely about applying engineering principles to designing a rod for a particular application. Dies are not so easy to make that he would have probably have made an entire offset set. At Headwaters Bamboo Rod Company we build our rods based on proven "historical" tapers, meaning that the tapers we use were designed by Twentieth Century bamboo fly rod craftsmen. Find great quality fly fishing rods at an affordable price that fits any budget. (Gary Nicholson), The chap is obviously of unsound mind as the Perfectionist is IMHO one of the all time worst taper rods out there. It's an Asian knockoff of a Dickerson 7012 4WT 7-0 taper. I won't know the difference if it isn't perfect but want to do things approximately correct. All were very powerful eight weight rods with most of the action in the upper half. (Greg Holland), Who knows, he may have just been responding to a client request, presume he had to eat. 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